I figure when you’re involved in any discourse you’re more likely to see the best of the people you agree with and the worst of those you disagree with. So I’ve been trying to follow “both sides” of the discourse. Not because I actually agree with the anti-transmasc crowd, dear god no, but so I can have an easier time keeping an eye out for transmisogynists on our “side”
Buuuuut
I rarely see any actual transmisogyny?? Most of the time it’s strawman arguments accusing the entire transmasc community of something or other, or trying to police what words they can use.
The rest of the posts are stuff like “these vile transandrodorks HATE all trans women and think we should SHUT UP and DIE FOREVER” with no screenshots to back it up or show who said it.
Over and over: “transandrobros think trans women aren’t oppressed!” and “transandophobia-truthers are telling trans women they’re all lying about their experiences!” and “transandrodorks say transmisogyny isn’t real!”
WHO IS SAYING THIS!?
They can’t keep telling people this is what we believe without any proof! And if a substantial of people on our side are really saying this shit, I can’t find them!
I’ve blocked like, a handful of actual transmisogynists in the transandrophobia tag. Two of them were obvious cryptoterfs. One of them was cis. Please tell me where all the rest of these transphobic people are so we can report and deplatform them, jesus christ.
It’s also so much harder to find them when these assholes cry “transmisogyny” every time a trans man tries to talk about his own oppression. Or points out something they’re saying is hurting transmascs. Or breathes.
And for the record I’m not talking about the transmisogyny tag. Transmisogyny is absolutely real and a huge problem in queer circles. I’m looking at discourse blogs in particular.
It’s just… ugh. :/
The only transmisogyny I've seen from within the trans community has been from other trans women/fems, accusing trans women/fems who speak out against transandrophobia of being secretly men, or brainwashed.
Never seen a trans man act like that towards a trans woman/fem.
I fear some of you are not ready to hear this, but when someone from a hypovisible underprivileged queer group says 'oh hey, this also happens to me!' on a post about a hypervisible underprivileged queer group, this is not 'derailing' from the hypervisible group
this is a call for solidarity from people who are frequently forgotten in these conversations
Yep! That's because it's not an actual argument or discussion. It's people trying to silence trans men and anyone who defends them.
From what I've seen, some of these people also believe that trans men are simultaneously "late transition, indistinguishable from cis men and immune to misogyny" and "Basically cis girls with D-Cups, hiding behind their femininity, and a week from detransitioning into a terf" There's so many contradictions in anti-transmasc viewpoints, it's a wonder that anyone falls for them. It's all disgustingly misogynistic and transphobic, and reeks of truscum and terf logic. I'll say what I always say, don't argue with them. Just block and move on. Most trans people ain't like that.
I’m hoping that this is as “angry” as I’ll get with a comic, but given how the world is shaping up politically at the moment, I fear that might not be the case.
It’s been incredibly eye opening to witness the degree to which some people I know are willing to bury their heads in the sand in order to avoid the reality of the awful things that are happening around them. Awful things that they were told were going to happen.
In America, people are being black bagged and shipped off to El Salvador without due process to be held indefinitely in prisons, with the current administration now making social media posts cruelly boasting that they’ll never return.
Make no mistake, if people are being kidnapped by the government, given no due process, and are shipped to a foreign nation to be held in prison with no intention to give them any legal recourse, we need to call these prisons what they are:
They are death camps.
The United States of America is rounding up “undesirables” and sending them to death camps.
There are people in this country that voted for this. No matter how nice they otherwise seem or claim to be, these people are evil to the core.
There are also people who didn’t vote for this, but do provide social validation and acceptance to those who did.
If you are someone who thinks you’re against fascism, but you also accept fascists in your life, you are a fascist.
There can be no acceptance of intolerance. In the comic, the person I’m lampooning is the “Fake Trans Ally”, but you can swap out “trans” for any other group of marginalized people. Frankly, just call this person “The Fake Ally.”
If you’re someone reading this and feel attacked because I’m calling you a fake ally, it’s time to do some soul searching. When the history books are written about this period of American history, are you going to be someone who was unambiguously against hatred, or were you someone that treated hate as acceptable?
Were you someone that invited hatred into your home?
Were you someone that shared a meal with hatred?
Were you someone that allowed hatred a safe haven?
If you’re someone that does that, you yourself are hateful.
When you accept hate, you do so at the expense of those who are the target of that hatred.
Be better, our lives depend on it.
Bigots in the tag, with their full chest: "Trans men only use the word transandrophobia to complain about trans women!"
Actual posts in the tag:
"My ex assaulted me when I came out as trans, because he thought getting me pregnant would make me stop taking T."
"My mom told me that transitioning would make me aggressive and sexist, because testosterone is an evil hormone."
"I wish people here were nicer to trans men. It feels like the farther along I get in my transition, the more I am excluded by the LGBT+ community."
Like, go ahead and say you've never actually listened to a trans man when he's talking about his oppression. Transandrophobia is NOT about trans women, it's about the struggles trans men and transmascs face.
Them having a word doesn't hurt you, stop being a massive pissbaby.
btw there's so much discourse on my feed rn and I think I need some people to just step off of tumblr and meet people outside their circles. Does wonders for you btw x
Theyfab isn't a transmasc-specific slur. It's always been used against any nonbinary person assumed to be AFAB.
Though the AGAB of nonbinary people is nobody's business in the first place, it bears repeating that not every AFAB nonbinary person is transmasculine, just as not every AMAB nonbinary person is transfeminine.
These bigots aren't just transphobic towards trans men/mascs, they're exorsexist as well. We'll be stronger if we stick up for each other and push back against them together!
Edit: Just to make it clear, theyfab is being used against transmascs as well! I just want people to also acknowledge the non-transmasc nonbinary people being hurt.
the hate of polyamorous people feels so arbitrary to me. like i know bigotry is irrational but like. you understand the appeal of threesomes and foursomes but you can't respect when people love multiple people. even though you have multiple friends. there's gunk in your brain
I don't know what trans man need to hear this but you're allowed to be angry. It doesn't make you evil. You are allowed to experience all possible emotions without apology and still be a good man.
*this is about trans men specifically, do not derail. You are free to make your own post*
Yeaaaah transandrophobes are prone to misgendering any trans person they don't like, because according to them we're all secretly anti-feminist men in disguise :(
Seriously though, I think it's the attitude a lot of them have that goes "I only care about other queer people who are exactly like me and share my beliefs and experiences. Everyone else is my enemy." So it blows their mind when people who aren't trans men advocate for y'all. They can't comprehend caring about other people.
Oh! So apparently “transandrobros” is used to describe anyone who sticks up for trans men, so this means that any trans woman/fem who sticks up for us is targeted and misgendered! That’s awesome! This will definitely protect trans women and fems from transmisogyny!
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