Hi, I'm Genuinely Looking For An Explanation Here And Not Looking For An Argument /srs

In simple terms, I think the main problem with transandrophobia within the trans community is viewing trans men like they’re supposed to be allies to the community as opposed to actual trans people.

“Transandrodorks all believe trans women oppress trans men and think that misandry and reverse racism is real!”

Source? Can you point to one person who is saying this? Cause I've never actually met someone who believed that. "I’m not wading through the tag, find them yourself!"

Ok, so how about I link you to a bunch of posts where actual trans men talk about their experiences with oppression and how they define transandrophobia? Also, notice how none of them mention trans women oppressing them. “I’m not reading that because it's too long and doesn’t suit my arguments.”

Every Fucking Time.

Don't waste your energy on these morons. if someone isn't willing to listen, don't try to argue or provide examples. Block them and move on.

They're not going to change their personal definition of transandrophobia, because the real definition doesn't match their negative perception of other trans people. Just keep using it correctly and ignore them.

Please stop forgetting nonbinary people!

Theyfab isn't a transmasc-specific slur. It's always been used against any nonbinary person assumed to be AFAB.

Though the AGAB of nonbinary people is nobody's business in the first place, it bears repeating that not every AFAB nonbinary person is transmasculine, just as not every AMAB nonbinary person is transfeminine.

These bigots aren't just transphobic towards trans men/mascs, they're exorsexist as well. We'll be stronger if we stick up for each other and push back against them together!

Edit: Just to make it clear, theyfab is being used against transmascs as well! I just want people to also acknowledge the non-transmasc nonbinary people being hurt.

I really am just baffled at how many leftists still treat men and women like they're different species especially in trans spaces. Like it's just nonsensical to me to think one gender is more likely to be evil or bad over the other, whether that's based on pronouns or someone's body or someone upbringing. Not only have we seen time and time again that this "unique ability yo be evil" just doesn't exist (literally any person of any gender can and does actively perpetuate the patriarchy, transphobia, cissexism and more) but the idiots that charge into the transandrophobia conversation acting like trans men are evil or stupid are Also from every demographic.

It's not a gendered thing, it's a problem with people falling for radical feminism and refusing to see equal rights as a non-gendered thing, and also refusing to accept intersectionlity as anything more than "having she/her pronouns makes your life harder"

I'm not interested in arguing with ppl that think men of any kind are not worthy of love, acceptance and support, or that pronouns or upbringing or genitals makes someone more likely to be evil. Punitive, accusatory and guilt-based politics should be beneath all of us and yet it's the core of the belief system of so many.

Another facet of this conversation I absolutely loath is how it necessitates prioritizing binary trans ppl and perisex language, because "men is evil" mirroring white cis feminism again, doesn't work in spaces beyond its original closed box lmao

thinking about that one moment when I was about to get top surgery

If you're really a cis woman, why are you getting your panties in a twist about "Androhysteria"?

?? Because transmascs are people who don't deserve shit like that being said to them ?? Spoiler alert: people unaffected by transandrophobia can have compassion for, support and stand up for transmascs

I wasn't able to reply this in another post, for god knows what reason, but anyway I want to have it as a separate post. So.

I'm ftm, I'm from the global south, etc. I know what the transmasc struggles are - you will find I lived through them, I keep living through them. I was sent to offbrand conversion therapy, got told that clearly I'm just a confused girl who looks too much like a child and so that's why I'm identifying as a man (?). I am not going to be talking about all that. That's the deep lore.

What I am going to be talking about is how fucking meaningless the arguments against transandrophobia theory keep getting on this website. I cannot keep logging on and seeing people argue semantics (while not understanding a single thing they're saying) to define our experiences out of existence. I cannot keep logging on and seeing fucking USAmericans, because it's always one of y'all, who live in a sort of comfort I will never, ever get to experience or even see, try to tell me that somehow I have more power than any of them, because of how a fucking word is structured.

You are not arguing in good faith and I will not treat you like you are.

Say it with me:

If you go out of your way to harass and argue with trans women, you deny them their right to discuss their oppression, and you only ever see the worst in them, you being

Transphobic!

Now, if you go out of your way to harass and argue with trans men, you deny them their right to discuss their oppression, and you only ever see the worst in them, you are still being

Transphobic!

And of course, if you go out of your way to harass and argue with nonbinary people, you deny them their right to discuss their oppression, and you only ever see the worst in them, you are (yet again) being

Transphobic!

No, it doesn't matter if you're a trans woman, a trans man, or nonbinary yourself! You're still being a bigot. Unlearn your internalized transphobia and play nice with the other queers. The fascists hate all of us, stop doing their work for them.

people have lost sight of what "reclaiming" means I fear. calling someone else a slur in a way that translates to "I think you're stupid/a bad person/whatever" is not reclaiming that slur. using a term in the same way it has been historically used (i.e. to put people down, to reify a particular power dynamic, etc) is not "reclaiming". I don't care if you're part of the same group. you're just being an asshole

If your argument only appears to work by erasing an individual's marginalized or majority identity, you fail to comprehend intersectionality. Intersections exist in privilege as well, not just marginalizations