Domesticated computers will eat a disc right out of someone’s hand but wild computers are too shy you have to leave the disc on the ground and let it walk over to it and eat it itself
when you are real
[black n white velveteen rabbit sketch overlayed with the word "you"] don't mind being hurt
The velveteen rabbit, margery williams, 1922
Perhaps you could do one episode on what it is exactly that makes fanfiction distinct from any other kind of fiction? And I mean beyond the ol' "fanfiction is not real literature" argument. It isn't even worth dignifying.
But to really question why people place it in a category of it's own at all. Just how much literary elitism affects our perception of art & distorts our understanding of the world, & of the very concept of originality. Does such a thing as absolute originality even exist?
Nothing comes from nothing. Every story began somewhere outside of its creator's control, & they found it, remembered it, transformed it, either consciously or subconsciously. If all characters ever created are amalgamations of the people we have known (including ourselves) & characters already in existence, & the stories we conjure just byproducts of the media we consume & a point of inspiration lying somewhere between experience & fantasy (& what is fantasy if not just another story), then isnt all fiction fanfiction? Would that make the first story ever written RPF?
Anyhow, dont mind me, just talking nonsense. Fascinating stuff, transformative artistry. Love the podcast, though I have yet to listen to the episodes of writers I am unfamiliar with. Still, love the very idea of it, yaknow. Good shit.
Oooo I LOVE this comment! I could easily do a 15 minute bonus episode sometime all about this. I have so many thoughts on the very nature of fanfiction, how it stems from older folk storytelling traditions, and how modern commercialism and concepts like ownership and copyright law shape the way fanfiction is placed into a category on its own. I would agree that literary elitism fits into this with precise messaging on how they think we ought to perceive certain art forms. In many ways fanfiction is a defiant response and a continuation of the storytelling traditions humans have always participated in. Nonnie, you should come on and discuss it along with me! PM or e-mail me if you'd like to do that. I think this would make a great bonus drop. Also, thank you for the support! I'm so glad you like the idea of what the show is all about. 'Good shit' is what I aspire to. Cheers!
lemme add some stuff and propose an ending continuing from 15.18 as is, with all the occured shit like erasing jo and ellen and destroying mary’s arc.
meta writers, i love you, and i will tresure stories no matter what, but here look at these lamps of ideas(hehe).
scattered points.
maybe even dean dies. and he dies unceremoiously, poetic , not everyone dies a hero in battle. BUt he dies not like this, not willingly, not giving up like this.
He fights for sam, and when he realizes he can’t cas comes to his mind, and at that he at last drops his self hate, and apologizes, the monolgue is an honest confession to sam that he needed him, and he neede to protect his younger brother. that is why he hunted. to be the soldier he thought he should be.
But he was sorry he dragged sam here, and he tells sam how he’s sorry for hurting those he loves. for hurting him while he hated his supposed failure of not bein able to take care of him, of hurting cas, and of all of hurting jack, because he thought he’d lost cas becoz of him, not wanting to see cas in jack, he tells sam that it was wrong, but he didnt know why he was this way, but he knew actually, and tells sam about his love for cas, and how in the end it was him cas died for. he tells sam about the confession and sam asks dean why he didnt say anything, and he says “ i thought then he wouldnt be happy but he’d be alive. but cas loved me more than i ever thought i loved him.”
then sam tells dean to let go, and die in peace, yada yada , to meet cas. to go, live.
sam though opposed by dean’s last wish, can’t abondon the hunters, so he and eileen together go and help hunters, saving monsters instead of killing them, and rebuilding their live, they keep in touch with claire and charlie and the kids grow up.
jody and dona adopt more, and donnatelo is like a godfather to everyone.
In heaven dean meets bobby, who knows, and bobby just opens a beer, and pretends to have that casual talk bobby has, and he reveals how jack let amara free, because that’s all she wanted, and now heaven and hell were in harmony, with rowena guiding his god ways and cas parenting the 3 yr old he is. lucifer is now an uncle of sorts to jack, and has reddeemed himself watching the cas-jack relationship, which his father never gave him. the archaengels reunite and the king of hell keeps the fun alive in the world with their and the demons sass. Lucifer and Amara get along and show Jack celestial power and the brilliance that was in CHuck , all along pointing out his flaws more obviously, Chuck is old and now friends with donatello, still the way he was, but he’s human, and he’s sort of just chillin, and to be honest, he isnt fond of eTerniiity now.
jack grows a world with the beauty Lucifer saw in his fathers creation and the peace Amara could create in emptiness, and Cas told him that in this empty space, was love.
Before Bobby can go any ahead after “heaven is different now son “bla bla, we have a “hello dean” from cas who’s been in the bar, as expected, and they hug, and before anything happens, dean says where’s jack and we see Jack back there playing with the ferns(fractals huh) and he goes “hello” and then dean rushes to him gives a monologue sorry, says he was angry( purgatory vibes huh), and then says what he didnt then. he says he took out his anger on jack, but that hurt him more, because he loved cas, and jack reminded him of cas, and he couldnt control what he did, but inside, he knew he was hurting cas, and that made him even more guilty. he says i’m sorry jack, i love you, and i’ll never be your father, but i have and will love your father. and then Bobby gies “ well aint that romantic” and then the boys leave on a ride in the impala .
heaven goes on, with visits sometimes from jack, lucifer , amara. bobby and jo keep charlie visitin there cool af house.
on earth, sam and eileen convince rowena into a strategy to save all monsters from destruction, and the fun element is kept alive by crowley ( lucifer sprinkles random naughtiness on this little earth as he grows to find it enjoyable to be fair )
bonus points for lucifer making john apologize, to everyone. ( But bobby still is the dad)
mary gets a monologue and the respect she deserves. WHen sam and eilieen come over, kevin totally becomes their adopted son-ish and eileen is as much of a dean cas shipper as sam, they enjoy watching dean go nicknaming, and they always giggle at their eye thing.
added ultra bonus, when sam and eileen come over to the roadhouse, cas is being “sTeve “ organizing the beers and stuff and , guess what the cassete player is playing dean’s mixtape and they both enter, look at cas being this naive softie and dean comes over with in hiz cozy comfy overall with a wooden large box of more cassetes , singing to the mixtape and putting them down with a thud, a complete mismatch of behaviours in one person at one time, and he goes on to cas with” want to dance?”, and cas is “Deaaaa”n, and they twirl lamp style to notice eileen blushing and sam face palming. dean then completely goes into DEAN mode , butchy face, and cas goes in signs goes “frekles made me this mixtape” and well......
fun.
if there’s to be a happy ending, this is how its done. plus this can end with chuck dying, and coming back to make a pie shop he is relentlesly proud of, and no-one disagrees.
if u do write one plz tag me or send me a link :) luv ya all.
Reasons I didn't like the finale that have nothing to do with destiel so wincesties can stop saying its the only reason I didn't like it.........and yes a lot of them are about Dean
They reduced Deans entire complex character to just being a brother and loving pie and cars
Dean was brutally murdered and left suffering and in pain while being terrified. And as someone whose comfort character is Dean.....that was traumatizing and disgusting to watch.
Dean died on a hunt their dad failed to finish so he really did die being "daddy's blunt little instrument."
Dean's entire character development was just thrown in the trash. He spent 15 years learning self love and self worth and learning he was more than just a hunter. He had a purpose that wasn't just looking out for other people. He was given storylines that had nothing to do with Sam or their toxic codependency so he could grow out of it and be a big boy all on his own without his brothers help........ only for it to end with him and Sam and no one else. It ended with them being toxic and very much codependent.
Sam was left alone for another 40 years being miserable and sad, and even tho he had a family, it wasn't enough for him. He wss miserable his entire life before he died. That is no way to live.
No one went to Dean's funeral besides his brother and his dog. Jody? Donna? Garth? Claire, Kaia, Alex, Patience?? None of them were there. What about the AU people that Jack brought back? They couldn't go to his funeral as a thank you for saving the world?
Eileen wasn't even MENTIONED so that was just disrespectful to her and Shoshanna.
Jared's old man wig
The fact that John Winchester was confirmed to be in heaven even tho he physically and mentally abused his children and forced them to grow up by themselves most of the time and thus creating a bunch of neglect trauma. Hence the toxic codependency.
They should have talked about Rufus more. I miss that old fart.
Cas was only brought up 2 times the entire episode. He sacrificed himself time and time again for the boys and his son and has been a main character for like 8 years now and yet he was left with being mentioned only 2 times and we didn't even get to see him. They treated him as if he wasn't an important part of the Winchesters' lives for the past 12 years.
It was confirmed that Cas was alive and well and in heaven with his family he built over the years but we didn't get to see it.
Original Charlie was supposed to be in the finale and she wasn't either.
It needed more Dean and Miracle. Seriously.
The pacing was weird and off and felt like they rushed it just to get it over with. Like you're ending a show that has been on for 15 years that has a large fanbase....maybe you shouldn't rush the ending. Just some food for thought.
Those are just some of the reasons I didn't like it. So stop saying the only reason I hated it was because Dean and Cas weren't shown together.
hehe. gays in art gallery
re-linking my museum network. for being gay. be gay go museum :)
Google's data collection's flip side effect of making the world available, the virtual culture tour. plus when there's ads u are contrubuting to the museum by watching those, so its a win-win. It has anthroproligacal museum's street view too.
John wolff's museum of musical machines and mechanical calculator. sajdbasjfgasjfgasjkfakjfazCad
Louvre, for all for us.
Chicago's art museum, from byzantine to contemprory
the museum of BROKEN SHIPS, yep, romantic possesions.
Tucson's online Gay Museum, curated with infinite care and effort. Precious.
Rjks Museum, where u can create your own route with the studio.
The vatican muses
Natural history, life over years.
Museo Galileo, a theme based art museum, society in rooms.
The museum of COMPUTING asajdhjaffdskjfa
smithsonian initiative digitization of national museum of african american history and culture, because america's a home to many, and there are always stories when u live somewhere.
Holocast history, depressing, but filled with stories we must hear.
Women's History, because we need to know of The icons that made strategies and bombs in Vietnam, died hugging trees that were razed down, wrote papers without recieving credit, gave each other violets, and are just so so AMAZING.
St louis art museum walkthrough.
what is art if not transformative?
@kissing-chefs : another flag for capitalism.
Happy Sunday, ya’ll! We’re a bit behind with regular episodes this month due to scheduling conflicts, but we’ll be back on track very soon. In the meantime I’ve dropped a new bonus episode today!
This is a meta discussion between me and Neel. We discuss the peculiar nature of fanfiction and wonder aloud if it really differs all that much from what we would call ‘original’ published fiction. We talk about the powerful influence of corporate publishing channels and the way corporate power shapes literary elitism, which in turns shapes the cultural narrative of art and literature.
Thank you for coming on the show @kissing-chefs!!
nothing as good will ever come out of “will” and “intention” that can come out of laziness, boredome or revenge.
how dare this be hidden in the tags.
Dean & Jesus? More alike than you think.
Chosen by god for sufferring
Sexy as fuck
Acab commie
Son of Mary
Dated castiel
Died getting nailed
Twunk
Boss ass bitch, said eat the rich