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thoughts about chloé/her potential for redemption

thomas recently made some interesting comments about chloe on twitter (which you can read in this post). i’ve been thinking about chloé’s potential redemption arc for a while now, so i wanted to respond to those comments that seem to shut down the possibility of redemption

i have to start by saying that by no means am i a chloé stan, and i am the furthest things from a marinette salter lol (just clarifying because thomas’s points call out those two groups in particular, which are usually the same group). i am also generally supportive of thomas/the writing team and like the direction the show is going. but this is one case where i am hoping it will turn out differently than he’s implying.

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With the exception of Sabrina, all of Chloe's relationships including Adrien follow a pattern where the person uses her until they don't need her anymore and discard her. Chloe was important to her when he was isolated, but as soon as he had new friends he started to immediately cut her out of his life. Andre wanted a daughter, and as soon as he found a better behaved one, he traded her for Zoe. Zoe used her to get the lay of the land, but when she realized Chloe was a pariah, she ditched her. As soon as Ladybug didn't need her help anymore, she told her she wad off the team "for her own protection." And, the only reason Hawkmoth never through her away was because he never git what he wanted.

That is an unfortunately accurate assessment of the impact of events. It's important to highlight that many of these weren't malicious (except Andre, F that guy)

Though that just highlights how much damage we can do unintentionally via ignorance, carelessness, or thoughtlessness.

Which would be a great lesson to put in a kids show, if they would just acknowledge it.

So let's say at the end of the day about Chloe, Astruc was trolling about her anyways initally he planned for her that to change she has to lose everything do you think it was the right way to go about it.

Absolutely not.

The target age group for this show was 6-10. At this point the show has been going for 10 years. Your audience has aged out TWO AND A HALF times from the beginning of this 'arc' to this point. Even if you go from S3 that's still... 4-5 years now? Entire group aged out.

That is nothing like a timely lesson. In fact it's a situation where only getting a part of the lesson is actively harmful. So, no, it's a terrible way to go about it.

*IF* you were to be dragging this out that long there needed to be concrete signifiers along the way that what was happening was *not* right. The audience should be primed (all of it, not just stans) to WANT that redemption, to feel cheated, to be railing against the injustice of her pain being hidden in the shadows.

In short even if someone only caught a single season. They should be able to tell that the short-term events were going in a bad direction and that there *is* hope and there *is* a better way that Chloé was being denied by circumstance.

What do you like about Lukloe?

What's NOT to like? :)

Honestly, I see it as a ship where they both bring a lot to the table. Pretty much everyone knows what Luka brings, serenity, quiet resilience, and patience. All things Chloe needs.

Fewer understand what Chloe brings.

Fire. Energy. Life. Force. No one can deny she has these things. Luka is a great guy, but he's also a kind of pushover. That scene where everyone is going to him like he's Paris's psychologist. He doesn't think highly enough of himself or his time. She would be an excellent muse. She would push him out of his comfort zone, to express and promote himself more.

Between the two you find a balance. Luka calls her his Sun, distinct from light. Sun is bright and brings good things but also can burn you. She thinks of him as the ocean. The ocean is deep, it hides many things, it swells and ebbs. It conceals immense untapped power.

They're just awesome together.

you are NOT JAMES BOND. you are NOT A GIRLBOSS. you are A 16 YR OLD BEING ABUSED BY THE DEEP STATE

Her boooooooots

Rewatching the london special again and I have to say, despite my complaints, the first half of the final fight between lila and ladybug might honestly be in my top five favorite fights in the entire series.

I mean, just look at it. Not only did both of them found a way to effectively incorporate their respected transportation method into their combat style but are doing so against an opponent with a similar ability. It's just amazing. That's not even mentioning how well synced they are against each other.

I kind of wish these two were on the same side with these powers, solely because they would be an absolute powerhouse of a duo.