On Zoe Gaining From Chloe's Losses,

On Zoe gaining from Chloe's losses,

Andre, most normal people viewing it from the outside would see it as no great loss, but the show narrative treats Chloe as being too awful to deserve a "wonderful" father like Andre and him finally having the loving daughter he deserves, further I don't think a real person in Chloe's position would consider what happened a good thing.

The Bee miraculous, Chloe isn't unique in linking her sense of self worth to her role as a hero. Marinette in particular relies on being Ladybug. Also, it was pretty clear how she felt about it and Zoe took the miraculous anyway.

I don't blame Zoé too much, she protested and Ladybug insisted. Imagine you're a 12-13 y/o and a superhero tells you to do something.

And yeah the narrative can go suck eggs on André. He is a piece of shit father who shifts blame onto everyone but himself for all of his actions. He has been that way from the beginning. He hasn't stopped as of the last time we saw him.

So I will never write it as a loss having that man out of Chloé's life.

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What do you think, is Chloe’s main weakness?

I was trying to decide on which of these two was primary for you, but I think it's a chicken-egg thing.

Her Faith and her Insecurity.

Chloé has zero sense of internal self worth. You can explore why without too much effort. Trophy child, materialistic parents, it's pretty clear what was emphasized growing up.

Without any sense of worth to hang a self-generated framework for morality on, she latched onto other people's.

When she adopts a framework (Audrey/André's being the main) she puts full faith in the correctness of it. She is unshakeable in the face of 'reason'. If not for her faith in the Truth (tm) of how she was raised, she would have given up on the classism long ago. It has never won her anything. She has lost and lost and lost, but she still holds to the fath that the way of life taught by her authority figures is Correct(TM) and it is everyone else who is wrong.

In a sense her willpower is her undoing.

It was Chloé's faith in Ladybug that made her the only person to break free from Hawkmoth without help or Secret Knowledge.

It was the shattering of that faith via Hawkmoth's manipulation and Ladybug's mistakes that caused her downfall.

Chloé needs to be able to accept she has been sold a lie, that others were manipulating her, that she has the right and duty to decide for herself what to believe.

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Chloe has a real bad hangup about power. She needs to feel it desperately.

she idolizes Ladybug, who is powerful

she wants a Miraculous to feel powerful

she orders her dad around to feel powerful

she mis-names her butler to feel powerful

she bosses Sabrina around to feel powerful

she is cruel to Marinette to feel powerful

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In response, she re-asserts her power: she cuts him out of her life. Similarly, Ladybug denies her a Miraculous, so she turns on Ladybug, again lashing out at someone who has diminished her power. She then aligns herself with someone who promises it to her.

Then Zoe shows up, and Zoe gets attention and affection (and therfore power) from Andre, who isn't even her real father! She's spent more time with their mother, which is another form of power.

S3 through S5 is a systematic stripping away of the thing Chloe holds most dear: power. In response to this, she exerts power every opportunity she gets: she tries to take over the movie, she bosses Adrien around, she revels in her cruelty toward Marinette, she aligns herself with Lila (who Chloe recognizes has the power to fool everyone around them), she is cruel to her sister, and eventually she "leads" a fascist takeover of Paris (of course, not realizing that she's fourth banana in the takeover after Evil Gandalf, Slightly Less Evil Elon Musk, and Lila.

Her character arc makes perfect sense.

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