A Friend Of My Said I Was Overthinking The Scene, But Please The Whole Thing Is Very Sus For A Character

Horikoshi is the ideas guy, but it's on the readers making something beautiful out of those ideas.

A detail people tend to overlook (cause the anime fucked up the timeline) is that Geten and Cider were introduced in the same chapter in the manga.

And Re-Destro speech juxtaposed with Cider presentation.

So we have this two boys of a similar age, both have water/ice based quirks, both have white/blue-ish hair, both have the same blue eyes, and we didn't know their real identity at first (and in Geten's case is debatable if that's his real name).

What a big coincide huh?

My theory of C.H leader being a lost Himura gets more and more crazy everytime I think about it.

I love the idea of Geten and Cider, who I call Mizunami Himura, being lost siblings. And by extensions the lost cousings of the Todorokis.

Horikoshi bring him back after the first war just to put him in jail again after a few panels.

But hey at least we got him unmasked for a moment, as he's hot af.

You can't imagine how much I love the Cider House leader guy...

A minor villain has no right to look so cool, badass and handsome like he does.

Also he probably got the best water quirk of the series.

Also he got so much sassy energy on top of having such insane drip.

Being one of his like 3 fans isn't easy, but still love him.

Or just say Kai is another son born outside marriage, after all Chisaki looks more like a son of Kotaro than Shigaraki ever did.

Hell Kai IS the perfect son for Kotaro.

They would make a hell of a father & son duo and Kai will actually make Kotaro feel proud of being a dad.

I hope they get together in their next life or something like that.

... Wouldn't it have been a lot less convoluted to just make Tenko a biological relative of Overhaul's with a very similar quirk? Like, through his mom or something?

And one day he got a pretty boy at his door which happens to be the living image of AFO.

Ujiko couldn't let pass that opportunity.

This scene lives rent free in my head 🫣

Also I wonder why Nine is nude inside that tank but Shigaraki was using a swimsuit in the same situation:

Ujiko is such a naughty bastard lol.

Looking at the characters pages in the Volume Rising extras, I notice an interesting detail about Slice's background.

Now I'm aware this is a rough translation by google, but it's interesting that Horikoshi explicitly describes Slice as being used by "men".

Which could also connect with this panel from Nine's origin backstory, in which Slice is seen lying on the floor of a destroyed apartment looking totally defeated and helpless.

As far I know this is the only time a female character (and a villain for that mattter) in the series is written with an explicit background about being used and possible exploited by mens, implying a context of misoginia.

Which also makes me wish we had more context about Slice relationship with Nine and the rest of the crew.

How she pass from not trust anyone to be fully concerned about her team? (All being mens).

There's a lot of potential to developed their relationship there.

But an important note: I don't see Slice devotion to Nine and his ideals as romantic, not at all like much people like to interpret just because she's a woman. I feel that kinda goes against her characterization, considering Nine probably was the first man she ever trust but unlike others he wasn’t a lover or anything, but a savior and a true friend/family.

Horikoshi also says on Slice character page that Nine asked her about her quirk first and he values the name of it over actual names (which btw adds to Nine's own characterization considering he doesn't have a real name). I like to think it might be one of the reasons of why Slice trust so much on Nine's vision for the world, as he probably give a new meaning to her life other than being a pretty face and help her to value her own power.

Biggest hear me out of MHA...

Goto Imasuji

Idk he's just so savage but like a sexy beast.

Also how little bit of stubble can make a man look so much better?

The contrast between s3 Goto and s6 Goto is insane

(Probably also helps he ditched the silly fake eye)

Anyway, he's such a beast and I love him.

Is more like back in the day the only way to watch Naruto was on TV, but the cable networks in my country only had the first parts of Naruto and follow the anime on pirate sites wasn't really an option with middle 2000s internet lol.

I should watch it some day though cause I have good memories of early Naruto.

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Cider totally knows Izumi/Izuku looks at him and goes crazy, so he actually play with that and maybe accidentally He drops water on shirt as an excuse to take it off in front of our fav boy/girl.

Mizunami is a bit diabolical sometimes.

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You know? I never made the comparison between Cider and Compress but it makes a lot of sense.

Is funny how Cider intro is him saying they planned the steal operations for months to get the most cash without deal with heroes, but is notorious how neither him or his gang harm any civilians in the process. And not even after escape prison Cider attemps to harms anyone unlike almost all the other jailbreakers.

You also have Gentle as the well made version of Compress, because also a thief who tries to create spectacle but not harm civilians in the process.

Is ironic how lov fans always put Compress as the "sane" from the group, but that dude showed a lot of times to have sadistic tendencies and unlike his friends he has zero reasons to act that way.

Also tf was that scene of he putting Bakugou and Tokoyami on his mouth?

Tbh the whole idea of "my grandpa was robin hood" Horikoshi forced into Compress feels like a concept for a totally different character reporpused into the backstory of the only lov member without any background.

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Also the Humiras sure have an app like Tinder for selling their members, probably is on the playstore.

The whole cinderIzu is great and I welcome with open arms. For my au, I have an idea for them meet.

Again, BK is a footnote in her life and Izumi is not dedicating all her time and energy in thinking of him. (She hears how his quirk remains the same, no quirk awakening bs, how bk's attitude got worse and how Aizawa is sure BK is the future)

Izumi hears about the mpa here and there and ...is not impressed. She needs money, her group can't work by luck...they need ration and more, and Izumi is not happy ReDestro has "schools" for kids to learn their quirks...its just a camp where the kid learns how to use their quirk AND NOTHING ELSE (Geten my be alliterate here)

Stealing from Redestro is not something she can pull off on her own. She needs help to do this heist.

(the quirk schools aren't illegal, per se, but it rubs Izumi in the wrong way. She is right)

Enters Cinder. He shows up with his helmet, all gear up and...well, he too needs money and Mr. Youtsubashi is loaded and if he wants to make quirk schools, fine...let's rob the fucker.

Izumi gawks as Cinder removes his helmet. He is handsome and cute...she wasn't expecting this.

Lol

(I love a good mask reveal!)

I also live for the moments when a character takes of their mask and reveals to be hot, and Cider isn't the exception. I mean can you blame Midoriya for what him?

Note: Izu probably loves in particular the little scar Cider got in his eyebrown, he/her found that detail to be especially sexy.

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Is funny you mention the whole plot of Cider helping Izu to steal stuff from Re-Destro company, as I also have this idea of him making an operation to steal from a werehouse full of valuable tech and support items that Detnerant (I think that's the company name) sells into the black market.

They would have success stealing a lot of merch they later sell to get money, but also Cider found a particularly expensive prototype of a high tech glider he decides to keep for himself and use to compliment his surfing style. As Mizunami is really into surfing in my AU, like he seems to be in canon.

Oh I forgot to mention before but the vigilante name Cider/Mizunami will use for my AU will be "Splashdown". Be free to use it if you like the name.

And since you mentioned Geten here, do you think he will have some role in the story? As I mentioned before I love the idea of Cider being a Himura, but also he probably was rejected by his clan because his quirk is water instead of ice and the Himuras seems to be the kind of elitist jerks to would dishonor a child for born with a "imperfect" quirk.

Which would create a lot of tension between Cider and Geten, especially is they reconogice each other. Geten hating Cider for being "a failed Himura" and Cider will hate Geten because he's just a "an attack dog" for Re-Destro.

Funnily enough I think Geto has much more chances of alter the course of time than Gojo does, because when you think about it the story is written in way that puts Suguru as the main character who lives most of situations while Gojo is absent or doesn't have enough context to actually prevent stuff to happen.

So Geto could change a few inmediate things that happen when he was a teen such as:

_The death of Haibara (that's his name?)

_The death of Riko.

_The whole fight with Toji to ever happen, thought it probably will cause some troubles as Gojo will take more time to get to the 100% of his power.

_Probably can do something about the two sisters before their situation gets out of control. I guess he could pretend he's going to take them to a "school for gifted kids" before they manifest curse energy.

_Guess he indirectly will cause Megumi to never meet Gojo and became a sorcerer? Assuming Toji doesn't die here and Geto probably doesn't want to have anything to do with him or Megumi, is unlikely he will do something for him.

And on the more long term side when he was an adult he could do more stuff as well:

_Probably go after Yuta and while he's mad because of his original death, he probably could prevent Rika to go crazy that one time.

_Assuming Suguru is aware of all things Kenjaku did and his plans, he probably could be actively hunting him knowing several things. Still will be difficult deal with Ken because he's still sneaky.

_Geto probably could save Junpei from the plans of Mahito and instead adopt him into sorcery (this is my fav headcanon btw).

_Doing something about Yuuji, maybe find him before eat the first finger and explain him the truth about his parents.

_Shibuya will be totally different of course.

Prompt:

Suguru wakes up in his teenage body, during his first year of Jujutsu High, with his last memory being of Satoru getting sealed inside the cube.

Like hell will he allow that to happen twice.

Well... I guess he can look pretty when he's not looking ugly.

Credits where credits due (His hair looks abnormally silky here).

Tenko tried to copy that beautiful shot of Nine's hair dramatically blowing at the wind.

But it didn't work.

Sorry Tenko but your hair looks like the mop that nobody replaced in more five year.

You could never compare to Nine's ethereal beauty 🤍🌩

Call me crazy, but considering how manipulative Dabi showed he can be I wouldn't discard his whole Stain fanboy persona is just a performance.

I mean put that scene of him saying "I'll fulfill Stain will" in context: in that moment the recruits actually believed Stain was actively working with Shigaraki and the LOV was a group that would follow the ideals of Chizome.

That obviously wasn't the case, but Dabi probably make up the story just for fit in the organization and later after seeing not even Spinner (the biggest Stain fanboy) give a crap about the ideals of the hero killer, Dabi just dropped the act completely and acted more like himself.

Which isn't very different from his usual self. Let's be real when he actually put in practice any of Stain actual ideals or there was some sort of callback between both characters?

I think it's actually Fanon Dabi the version that always exaggerate his supposed Stain fanboy persona, generally in an attempt to make him more sympathetic and an antihero of sorts. Coincidentally most of this fanon material cames from the era when we didn't have much context of him and people still believed for some reason that Dabi could have been trying to help his family (for some reason).

Ah btw Dabi in the manga is still comically skinny and not really that different from his debut and many times he looks like he float inside his own clothes, but the anime for some reason makes him look super ripped despite it doesn't make any sense for his character.

I much prefer Dabi's body in the manga btw, not every guy needs to have a super bulky physique to be attactive.

Hi, I did a big mulling (lol) on the whole moral aspect of Dabi and his killings. Especially considering my own au.

Look let's not kid ourselves here. It would be impossible for Besties au or canon for dabi to be "pure" aka never kill anyone. Boy was on the streets after waking up from a coma in a creepy hospital.

"a good Samaritan in the villain side took him in" ok maybe but even this good Samaritan would still be a villain and Dabi wouldn't be save of killing. Even if is self defense.

The discourse I mentioned in my channel on....ironically called Discord was about how dabi killing bad peoples works better than killing innocent people. I get the fallacy of this logic. I get the appeal.

We see characters like Punisher and we root for him bc "he is killing bad people" which makes him good in comparison. I used to like that, who didn't? But consider this idea: One villain killed the anti-hero's wife. One, and the anti hero responds by going on a rampage.

"he is angry she is dead, it's grief" he still kills a lot of people and shows no remorse.

(nothing against Anti heroes characters per se. I do love Jason Todd even if I agree how DC mistreated him, I like Bucky. I can't like Punisher through)

The thing here is if Dabi only killed bad people how we would know if the people he killed were bad to warrant the death penalty?

"dabi only killed rapist and pedos" ok. How he would know if a person committed those crimes? Waiting for the person to shout to the world all the horrible things he did on this fine Tuesday?

(this all is making me think of a case of lynching in my country, a person was accused of committed a crime, a group of the small city wanted justice and ....went to make on their own hands....turns out the person was Innocent. They killed an innocent person)

Besides killing is killing. Even if Dabi has concrete proof the people he killed are EVIL. He still took a life, he is still unaffected about it (not saying if dabi kills a rapist he should weep, but you can't exactly be so blase about it)

(I even think if Dabi goes around killing only bad people, in this case, villains....wouldn't that make others villains wry of LoV for keeping dabi? If we have a hero killer. What if we have a villain killer?)

My point on this long ass thread is how in besties au dabi has killed, ofc he did, even if is for survival...and that sticks with him. He doesn't like killing. It weights on him.

"and Endy?" Yes. He wants to kill Dabi. He wants to destroy Endy and in besties he is doing a good job. He is proactive (unlike Mr. Possum)

But the killing weights on him.

Smth I don't think it does on the heroes who kill in canon. They are sure the villains they kill are evil (I mean, I get why) and no need to think twice, right hawks?

But it's odd seeing villain stans defending dabi killing any villain without remorse and try to justify "they are evil"

Well.....

If that was the case...all the LoV deserved their fates as they are terrorists who killed lots of people, wage a war and more.

Hi @mikeellee 👋

Agreed! There is no way within Canon that dabi has never killed anyone at all. Actually, we only see dabi physically kill people after he joins the league of villains, whether that be with failed lov recruits or heroes dabi has killed.

However, in chapter 290, dabi states that he has cannonically killed over 30 innocent people. Now, I have talked about this in the @sapphic-agent post, but the framing of that panel seems to be there to humanise enji while dehumanising dabi.

How does dabi know these people are innocent?

Why did he mention the fact that they were innocent? Why didn't he just say he killed thirty people?

All of this makes me think that dabi thinks that he accidentally killed the people in the hospital.

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What if dabi thinks he killed all of the individuals in the hospital?

I agree dabi's kill count feels incredibly forced almost as if its just there to demonise dabi and make the audience more sympathetic toward

Ultimately, dabi would have realistically had to kill in self-defense. Imagine a young teenage boy obviously covered in major scaring, roaming the streets for scraps or anything to survive. That would be an easy target for people to use, rob, or do whatever they think of doing to him. Dabi would have had to quickly learn self-defense and how to survive on the street, and it shows that he did learn by his appearance.

The first time we see dabi in chapter 68, we see just how scrawny and skinny he is. He ends up gaining weight and muscle after joining the league, yet his first appearance definitely depicts him as malnourished and the increased burn scars definitely mean that he has been using his quirks ever since he was on the street for various reasons.

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A lot of Endeavor's dramatics (for lack of a word) seems to come from his privilege. He says he's willing to dance in hell, but his version

Dabi killing bad people or who he views as a bad person makes sense and is actually very in character for him. A dominant characteristic of dabi that fanon seems to undermine is that he is a huge Stain fanboy/follower. His first introduction, he announces that he plans to make the hero killers will a reality.

However, we do fall into the problem of dabi pushing his own moral views (which let's be real dabi has some very concerning views) that would be a problem. Or how does he know that this specific individual he is killing is a bad person? There's so much this is the same character who was shown to have some very misogynistic and victim blaming views, so that would be a rocky hill for him to go down on.

All of this could definitely be a great idea to explore and could easily dive deep into dabi's mentality and how that might change over the course of the series.

It is absolutely a great idea to make dabi killing weigh on him whether they're innocent or evil. Those are still people. They are still lives, they breathe, weep, form complex thoughts, bleed red etc they are people, they could be dabi and his body or the body of his loved ones could be next.

While Canon doesn't truly focus on it, it does highlight the fact that dabi does feel regret to a certain extent. Dabi is upset, and he knows, realises, and accepts that he is a bad person. It is exactly why he believes that he belongs in gell with his father. It is why all of his conversations with enji mention BOTH of them suffering and being in hell together for their sins.

There is an anime only scene with a hero cornering dabi asking him if he regrets killing and dabi doesn't respond directly, but we are shown a scene of a bloody tear falling from his face.

There is also a manga page where dabi remembers snatch and directly says that killing him drove him crazy thinking about it with a tear coming from his eye.