We Need More Girldad Wangxian Fics!!

I've yet to watch aos but honestly as a spirk shipper idrc abt spuhura cause for some reason star trek writers are obsessed with making Spock this bad boy, ladies man of sorts so whateverrr BUT from what I've seen aos just messed up uhura as a character in generalll! It's why I don't wanna watch aos like from what I've seen tos the show made in the 60s gave her more personality and whimsey etc than her 09 counterpart...

Iike ik 09 was the year where "Haha overly srs women in a group of boys" was the IT trope but cmon... don't do my girl dirty like that💔

Ramblings about Spuhura in AOS (this got a bit long)

I thought I didn't really mind Spuhura in AOS, but I think it really messes up the characterisation of Spock. They just didn't have a plan where to take that relationship. I feel like the extent to their thinking was well Uhura is hot and people will be surprised to see repressed Spock in a relationship, but they didn't want to flesh out her character. And they (rightfully) made Kirk and Spock have the most important relationship in the movies, so Uhura is supposed to be important to Spock, but we rarely feel the weight of that.

So in the end Spock kind of looks like a bad boyfriend, because his most important emotional scenes, the moments he loses his control are all with Kirk. Which is great because it reinforces Spirk, but Uhura just stays an afterthought and they could have done so much more with her character. I saw this interview where Zoe Saldana seemed glad that Uhura and Spock had broken up in Beyond because he had been her teacher and maybe she had outgrown that relationship. I mean even the actor thought more about this than the filmmakers!

And how does it reflect on Spock that he chose a relationship with his student? I know me too hadn't happened in 2009, but in TOS in the 60s they managed to make Kirk a compelling character by making him not sleep with his subordinates. And showing this impossibility to find personal happiness at his job as a struggle for him. Which makes him likeable.

I think they didn't understand what the relationship between Kirk and Spock really symbolizes, how it outweighs every other connection. They just wanted to build on something that already existed and took it for granted.

And yes, this is an alternate universe, but if you reboot Kirk and Spock, it needs to be done right. And isn't the beauty of it all that Spock learns about emotions from Kirk, this open minded, kind hearted man, that does not judge him. And for that you need to have Spock start in a place of relative isolation. There are alternate universes and then there is misunderstanding characters to a point you are losing their essence.

Short Jon gender euphoria comic for the soul :,)

Binge watched a bunch of Brooklyn 99 today and with my mdzs brain rot I must now yap abt a brook99X mdzs au:

Captian holt = Nmj (his husband is lxc and his nemesis is Meng yao🙏🏼)

Jake= Wwx (we all saw that coming lol!)

Amy= Lwj

Gina=Nhs

Rosa=Jc

Boyle=Wen Ning (I originally wanted to make nhs Boyle but ahhhh NHS as gina)

Terry=Jin Zixuan, I will not elaborate

Wen Qing is also there she just doesn't fit any of the roles hehe

Ohh yess I 100% agree with you, it is also quite baffling for to me (as someone whos been marinating in different danmei fandoms for quite a while) that mdzs is the novel that ended up with the fandom that refuses to admit antagonistic characters faults; especially since the novel basically spells it out for you multiple time; and fans always chalk up this stuff as like "Oh it's just how I interpreted the novel" and it's like their is nothing wrong with differently assessing smth; but when it comes to stuff that is spelled OUT for you you really have to to start thinking "am I going about this wrong?"

And yk the worst part? It's always the scenes that are SPECIFICALLY showing you the red flags that they use as evidence, Oh Jc kidnapping a wwx (who he already had enough evidence to fall under the impression that it was NOT wwx?) "That's because he missed his dear brother!" Oh... *insert Literally anything jgy did within the novel* "Ugh! He came from a bad background.... *and than they usually continue to degrade wwx I'm favor of jgy*

And I've said this before, (I am unsure if you've watched the cql yet) But the reason for such major misinterpretation could also majorly do with the cql, Since in the cql a lot of the blame gets directly put onto the Jins, And tbh... the cql kinda villianifies wwx a bit, and weirdly enough it clashes with some of the novel themes of having the wens (specifically wn&wq) innocent as they turn them into spies for wrh (Which to be fair, they use the excuse that wrh is forcing them into the role, but it still feels icky) and let's not forget the softening of jcs general character (Tho I could argue he's even worse in the cql because of the whole Wq/Jc plotline they tried to force) I am unsure if some fans have just completely confused the untamed canon with the mdzs Canon, or if its just them being willingly blind (actually i feel like thats probably also a part of it, literally had someone tell me "Jc turned Jl into a spoiled and rotten person! Out of love!" The other day , but honestly I've read a majority of fics where the jins are the "Complete bad guys" so I honestly do believe the untamed may have had a hand in it.

Though yes I agree with everything you've said so far, it's super infuriating for me and I'm not even usually a person that gets angry or upset over fanon misinterpretation, but the mdzs fandom just takes it to another level.

the myth of helplessness and the “hands-tied” rhetoric for authority figures in mdzs

i’m pretty sure every one of us has seen this notion echoed around for atleast one of the clan/sect leaders when it came to their compliance and/or active participation in the wen remnants’ genocide as well as their prior lack of help/refuge for the wen remnants once wei wuxian had rescued them. while this goes beyond just the way the cultivation world’s leaders handled the aftermath of the sunshot campaign (namely, their lackadaisical approach to helping civilians, exploiting those weaker than them, etc.), i’ll start with the genocide because that’s the crux of it all. that’s the nail in the coffin, that’s the biggest proof of why i feel so fucking angry whenever i see this sentiment of excusing/justifying/or even explaining why the sect leaders did what they did.

and like most skewed interpretations of mdzs (and i don’t mean this in a haughty superior way of only MY way of reading the text being THE right way but i feel like this is something we all have noticed after traversing the fandom waters for a while), this too begins with jiang cheng.

now, let me clear: jiang cheng, in full sobriety and clarity of thought, led the siege of the burial mounds to kill a group of innocent people, which included elderly women and men and a child. you would think this should be obvious but i’ll retierate: NOTHING justifies this, nothing excuses this. the same applies to every single sect leader and sect affiliated member who went for the siege that day and participated in the killings, whether directly or indirectly. this isn’t a nuanced situation and i personally feel that a discussion that begins with the premise of muddying the culpability of the people involved in the genocide shouldn’t even be entertained because the reasons do not matter. they just don’t. it doesn’t matter that nie mingjue’s personal philosophy stemming from his upbringing and loss gave him a narrowminded view of the “wen-dogs”. it doesn’t matter that jiang cheng was sunken in grief and rage after losing his sister. it doesn’t matter that the lans were convinced of wei wuxian’s deviousness and found it paramount to put an end to him and his affialites. it doesn’t matter that some were operating on half the information because when you march into the temporary residence of your supposed foes and kill them all in cold-blood despite them being unarmed and untrained—the weight of ensuring that your violence has a meaning, a justification is on YOU! if you’re committing this act, you have to make sure you aren’t being led blindly by manipulating rumors and ideals.

even before the genocide, before the nightless city massacre, before the qiongqi path ambush—the way i’ve seen handwaving of jiang cheng’s mindset regarding the wens is a little baffling. “he had the burden of being a sect leader” “he had to protect his clan, his hands were tied!” jiang cheng wielding power and authority are often repackaged as baggage that his poor self is so tragically saddled with. it genuinely puzzles the shit out of me. have we all forgotten about “with great power comes great responsibility”?? jiang cheng’s responsibility as a cultivation sect leader goes beyond just the immediate thought about his sect and towards the cultivation world as a whole and how injustice was taking place by a fellow prominent clan. we know this is extremely important because the whole reason the sunshot campaign happened and why it came down to a war was because of prior negligence by the clans towards the congregation of power by the wens. to recognise the same methods now being employed by the jins was, infact, part of jiang cheng’s responsibility. just saving your own neck doesn’t work, when the larger picture is considered. besides, giving the wens the backing of the jiang clan would NOT have brought down instant doom upon the jiangs. that was the whole point. that was why jin guangshan felt it necessary to put ideas into his head and lead him to a path of hostility towards wei wuxian (which is still a choice jiang cheng made, mind).

also, while we’re at it, you’re telling me that the jiang clan rebuilt in part due to wei wuxian’s insane gravitational pull towards aspiring cultivators, would NOT have stood behind wei wuxian if jiang cheng had only tried? hell, i would go far as to say that some jiang disciples would have WANTED to join wei wuxian’s side. there was risk. there would be trouble. but that doesn’t mean jiang cheng had no option. the path of least resistance leads the crooked men, does it not? besides, being a leader is not about tucking tail and keeping your head down. it’s about making the difficult choices and yes, for jc, in this scenario, refusing to help the wens and wei wuxian was the easy choice.

also this whole myth about the sect leaders not being able to do anything because their clans would become targets is sort of antithetical to the whole premise of them being sect leaders in the first place. they’re the only ones who can do something with comparatively less risk to their person and those they’re “protecting” because they have the power of organisation. if the holders of authority cannot make decisive lines in the sand and push for change and resist, who can? the disciples or civilians would have an easier time opposing the clans individually or in groups, you think? they would have less to lose? (we already have an example in the form of mianmian; the waves had to be made from the top in this time-sensitive situation).

these fanon tropes originate from somewhere i know. it’s interesting to think of how these authority figures perceive their power as burdens, how the prince doesn’t want to become king but is forced into the role, how inheritances, even the ones that favour you, can feel like shackles around your neck.

but this kind of sympathetic view of the antagonists and the wrong-doers in mdzs leaves a bitter taste in my mouth because time and again, we have been shown how these sect leaders are blissfully happy to reap the fruits of their inherited power and generational wealth and are the ones most protected by the system. jiang cheng was perfectly fine being the sect leader by default and his grievance was moreso that wei wuxian wasn’t around to be his subordinate. the less that is said about jin guangshan the better. even lan xichen’s troubles didn’t come from him holding power but from his prolonged semi-wilful ignorance regarding jin guangyao. nie mingjue, while alive, used his influence to make his voice heard and condemned the wens because that was his unshakeable opinion on the matter.

now, this isn’t to say all the sect leaders were the same brand of callous and incompetent. yes, they had their problems. yes, their positions didn’t automatically make them immune to harm. but they were not the poor little burdened leaders with “pragmatic” point of views, trying to keep their boats afloat.

the ones with their hands tied were these: the lower classes in the pyramid. the ones who relied on the clans for shelter and food. the civilians whose requests for help were denied by the cultivation sects. the wen remnants who couldn’t do anything to save themselves. wen qing and wen ning. wei wuxian, whose every avenue of help was closed. mianmian. and even, imo, lan wangji.

there’s another similar notion towards wei wuxian that because he was a subordinate and because he has lesser social standing, he had more “freedom”. what ass-backwards logic is this, to be honest? when has having lesser social status, political power and monetary resources given a person more freedom? more freedom would mean that wei wuxian could do anything he wanted and go unquestioned. more freedom would mean that he would be able to practice the ghostly path without every second person accusing him of demonic activities. you know who had more freedom? the nie sect! their resentful energy dabbling went unquestioned because they had more freedom, they were protected by the reputation and might of their clan. nie mingjue’s hypocritical stance went unquestioned because he had freedom, precisely because he had more power. wei wuxian having a big personality, being flirtatious and not being a picture-perfect version of properness (he had good manners regardless) is not having more freedom. if he had that personality and no one accused him of being arrogant and if it wasn’t used against him as means to sully his reputation, then yes, that would be true freedom. this last part is probably redundant but hope the point of it was relayed. just because wei wuxian’s able to authentically be himself despite the backlash he receives for it does not make his social standing somehow a more advantageous position to be in compared to the literal leaders of the cultivation world.

in conclusion, the sect leaders did not have their hands tied by some inherent circumstance, their thrones of power were not ill-begotten curses they were trying to escape from but all the tying was done by them and their ropes which they gleefully tied around the necks of the wens to silence them forever. and if that sentence makes you uncomfortable, great. because that’s the reality of what these people did.

Wangxian is so fun cause its literally just people going "oh that one guy is so unapproachable and scary stay away from him"

And then both of them going "Bet"

I imagine wangxians confession scene to be the most insane piece of lore to bestow the cultivation world because its such a "Oh... that makes much more sense" so they just decide to exaggerate it like they usually do cause THAT IS SOME GOOD LORE.

Fast forward a few months, the story of the yilling laozu (Credits to the cultivation world) is a tragic tale of love and healing where Lan wangji and Wei wuxian were both secretly in love but could not come out because of the fear of guaranteed backlash and so they'd become bitter exs yet, still madly in love that is until wei wuxian died. Coming back after 13 miserable years they'd decided love wins.

Wangxian are amused.

Jiang cheng is sure he's in hell.

The juniors (except jin ling and lan yuan) find it so romantic and cute.

Lan qiren qi deviates

getting all dressed up (totally not just for the mall cop that visits him multiple times a day, every day. that's just a coincidence)

21st century

I'd love a sword! I feel like I'd be a saber person tho more offense than defense

I can't believe their are genuinely ppl who think wwx was to blame for any of the misfortunes that happened in the book or call him arrogant, lazy etc like.....? Did we read the same book😭😭

Or also insult lwj etc for similar reasons!

The mdzs fandom secretly is the cultivation world I am sure of it.

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