The Most Loose Cannon In Hollywoob

life partners au: teenage years

i wanted to write SO MANY things but it seems like my brain DOESN'T work at all, so please take this i hope you understand what i tried to convey

mostly they're just two best friends who argue about stuff all the time, get into all kinds of trouble together (usually pb's fault ofc) and value each other very much. also childhood crush on the part of both of them, which pb doesn't realize at all (since it is normal for him to love others and he cannot specifically identify these feelings as something more romantic), but bojack begins to realize closer to the age of 16 and is simply horrified by this (then he will convince himself that imagination just ran wild anyway), and all this mess continues until they turn 25-27 and enter into an official relationship yeahhh

i agree with you in many ways (for example that pb is really not as innocent and good-natured as it seems from a superficial point of view), but i want to make some remarks!

tbh i don't think that mr peanutbutter had any special attitude to bojack.

OBVIOUSLY pb has his flaws (and you listed them) but to me he seems a rather nice guy? pb generally shows a kind attitude to everyone, it is natural for him; but precisely because he does it unconsciously, and not because of any stable principles and beliefs, in most really difficult situations he behaves incorrectly and selfishly. however, he is capable of really noble deeds - for example, the fact that he forgave diane after he found out about her lie (the scene in the restaurant). i can say that he cared about diane and loved her, just as he appreciates and cares about his other friends (giving todd a place to live, helping bojack with a doll and supporting him after that in the bar, saving a damn underwater city).

he also shows a disdainful attitude towards bojack as well as towards others. i don't even need to list it - as soon as bj starts to really tell pb about his problems, he runs to erica promising that "they will catch up later"! and the fact that he did leave bojack at the party in the last episode. or he brings him to a public event although he must understand that it will be pretty uncomfortable (to put it mildly) for bj to be there now (i'm talking about giving d to hollywoo)

it may seem to us that mr peanutbutter treats bojack in a special way because, despite all insults and the actual betrayal of the latter, he still treats him friendly. i always thought that he didn't care so much about bojack himself as about bojack's opinion of him almost right up to the end of the show, 'cause as we all know he just needs everyone to love him (bj is not special in this regard). he is extremely amiable to bj, forgives any his bad actions etc, as he tries to make bojack like him too because how can someone not like him???

at the same time i in no way exclude pb's sympathy for bojack. even he wouldn't be able to keep running after a man who can't stand him for twenty years!!!

but yes, it doesn't seem to me personally that mr peanutbutter treated bojack in any special way, he's just like that with everyone. he can do both good deeds, helping and supporting, and bad ones, neglecting his friends' feelings. because he's silly used to ignoring any negative emotions in general and because he is too fixated on keeping his image of a cheerful and carefree guy to really pay attention to others' problems.

yeah he definitely has something to work on…

I kinda realized something rather harshly. PB is often woobified by the fandom (this is rather obvious but hear me out). He is typically seen and perceived as this kind genuine and generous person. Because he is….. to Bojack

This is not bobutter propaganda I swear, hear me out

It is a well observed phenomenon in this fandom (as well as in many other fandoms with morally complex and nuanced main characters) that the viewer can often be swayed by the perspective of the main character. As a simple example, the amount of Bojack viewers that sympathize with his actions simply due to the fact that you see how he may be led to commit certain acts is staggering.

And yeah, from Bojack’s perspective Peanutbutter is kind, generous, and caring, because that’s how he always treats Bojack. Constantly scrabbling for opportunities to spend one on one time with Bojack, willing to drop everything at any moment if he needs help, forgiving him when he had no right to be forgiven. Giving up his space, money, and privacy the moment Bojack is in need of a place to stay. Putting his reputation at stake by continuing to associate with Bojack after the public turned on him. Bojack is treated with kindness, patience, and forgiveness in nearly every interaction.

And yeah, if this is how he treated EVERYONE, that reputation he has of being a total sweetheart would be fully justified, but looking beyond Bojack it becomes shockingly obvious that this is NOT the case.

Diane is an easy example, because the seeds that led to their divorce had been sewn throughout the run of the series. Peanutbutter REGULARLY ignores Diane’s needs and perspective, favouring his own ambitions over hers. I saw a post going around about hank after dark (I genuinely can’t find it again or remember who posted it i’m so sorry) but it was about Peanutbutter essentially telling Diane to go to Cordovia to do her own work AWAY from where she could possibly risk his new game show.

This is just the tip of the iceberg but it really shows that he prioritizes his own whims and his own little bubble of hyperfixation over the needs of his wife. He’s usually completely blissfully unaware that she’s often uncomfortable in her own home when it’s full of a film crew, or campaigners, or whatever the hell else he’s latched himself onto. Yes she doesn’t often express this, but to a neurotypical person this would be more obvious by simple observation (peanutbutter is NOT nt, clearly, so he’s less at fault but it doesn’t change the affect), but peanutbutter is so lost in his own whims and excitement that he doesn’t recognize the people around him (AND he tends to get defensive whenever someone tries to bring him back to reality). At least until his divorce with Diane snapped him back to reality.

Also i’m gonna talk about Pickles real quick. I love her, honestly. A lot of people don’t like her but she exists to essentially act as the culmination of all peanutbutter’s problems, and she does that perfectly (also she’s cute, sue me). Yeah, the issue with peanutbutter’s maturity is obvious to the point where Diane calls it out directly. Peanutbutter dates all of these younger girls simply because he WANTS to. He doesn’t care about the affect it may have on the course of these people’s life. He knows it’s wrong, hell Pickles’ age makes him actively uncomfortable whenever it’s pointed out. But he dates her anyways, because he chases whatever makes him happy no matter how selfish.

Yeah, him being bright and optimistic is fun and cute and you could never IMAGINE a man like that doing you wrong, but that mindset lacks real world practicality and sustainability which would in the end lead to the divorce.

Anyways! I digress. Peanutbutter treats Bojack VASTLY different from any of his partners, which is just fascinating to me. He can completely ignore and dismiss Diane’s discomfort with having their house full of crew people, but Bojack appears on his doorstep drunk and distressed and Peanutbutter immediately sends EVERYONE home and gives Bojack his full unwavering support and attention

This ended up kinda tangent-y but I think I made at least some sort of point somewhere in there. I just had thoughts I wanted to get out

and of course some memes for special people (bobutter fans)

mr peanutbutter helps the twins to cut the ice cream evenly so that they don't fight again (he went through that with his brother too)

it's him as a kid

Thanks for responding and considering my idea! You even made wonderful art, thank you very much! I think that the fact that they are older would be one of the facts that would be more interesting in my idea, but at the same time I really think that it would take a while for both of them to consider the idea of ​​having children... I'm not very good at math, but do you think it would work for them to be in their 40s after season 6? I guess that's PC's age, besides. But I don't really remember. Hopefully they would take about 10 years to consolidate the idea, when PB suddenly had baby fever and received a suggestion for Surrogacy. They would be around 50 years old, maybe. Then they would still be old parents. I was thinking they might have a stallion first, with Bojack's DNA. He could be a boy, in my mind, similar to Bojack. He would be shy, and obedient, a follower of rules. Although in adolescence I see him as more mean and rebellious, but with others and not with his parents. The problem of old age would be an important point in his story, as it would give him a sense of responsibility towards his younger brothers (Yes, Bobutter tried again some time later, but with Peanutbutter's DNA. It would be a pair of golden twins .), anxiety and constant worry about knowing how and when their parents could die. He would also be completely against drugs and alcohol, given Bojack's story. His name would perhaps be CrackerJack? Honoring his late great uncle. And the twins would be Sara and Lance. I'm still not sure about these names, but I thought it would be a good pun for Sarah Lynn. I thought about also giving compound names to honor Peanutbutter's parents, but I don't know what their names are, since they were never said in the series. They would be very hyperactive, distracted, but very smart twins. Sara would look a lot like PB, while Lance would, surprisingly, kind of look like Bojack. He loves sarcasm. They also really love Crackerjack, and almost always follow their big brother's orders. Lance admires his older brother a lot, but sometimes finds him very annoying. Sara too, but she already likes her brother's protective ways more, even though it can sometimes be suffocating.

oh actually your idea sounds even more interesting in that way. if their rather old age has any special effect on their relationship with the kids it'd be interesting to consider!

omg i was also thinking about labrador twins!! that's just such an awfully sweet concept! i also like that bobutters would name them after sarah lynn and crackerjack (or bojack could give one of his children the name harper out of strong sentimentality??).

you described their characters in an interesting way, especially crackerjack's one. it would also be interesting to explore it in more detail, and if you have any ideas exactly what he looks like, i would be glad to hear them!

thank you for your thoughts! they'd definitely make loving sometimes fucked-up parents. it would be fun to watch! :)

teenager bojack reads a lot of books and begins to consider himself a real intellectual; he often quotes oscar wilde, mark twain and others with a smart look trying to show off in front of pb (pb is completely delighted and in awe)

bojack and mr peanutbutter after the end of the show: