This. They Hate All Of Us, We're Not Any Better To Them.

This. They hate all of us, we're not any better to them.

There's also a bit of... I think unintentional support of other queerphobia when people say stuff about how asexuals aren't doing anything. As the post discussed, we are seen as a threat to a lot of people, but I think the intent when aspecs say this is more like "we're not hurting anybody/doing anything wrong". But the thing is... Neither are trans people or gay people or other queer identities. When people say stuff like that, it's almost agreeing like "I can see why you don't like them, but we're different".

So there are several issues. I do think a lot of it comes from people not really knowing aphobia exists or even within our community not understanding how strong it is in some groups.

tbh I really dislike how aphobia tends to be discussed whenever there's some kind of incident that makes it visible to general society. The most common response seems to be some variation of "why would anyone hate asexual/aromantic people, they aren't even doing anything" and it just always sits wrong with me. It paints such a passive picture of our existence and feels like a comment influenced by the level of invisibility that aspec people have in society. Why would you be annoyed by someone who is practically invisible? Just go back to ignoring their existence, it's easy!

But despite the invisibility, aspec people are actually doing quite a lot of things that will piss off queerphobic, right-wing and religious people (and hell, even left-wing people). And the most obvious point is that we are actively not performing heterosexuality the way they want us to. People who's entire world view is "cis men and women should be in monogamous, heterosexual marriage and have (white) babies" are not going to lean back and say "oh but those asexuals and aromantics are fine". They will also hate our guts, and they will come up with all sorts of reasons, including insinuating we're all secretly into bestiality, or mentally ill, or not human, or attention seeking children. It's just plain old queerphobia, and like all queerphobia, there's no inherent logic to it which you can worm your way out of by "not doing anything".

And like, there's a lot more that aspec people do which people hate. Raising awareness about amatonormativity? People feel attacked, they hate it. Asexual people having sex? Or not having sex? People hate it! Aromantic people being in (seemingly) romantic relationships? People fucking hate it! Aromantic people having sex? Ohh people hate that!!

I guess the existence of aphobia can be confusing when you haven't spent much time thinking about asexuality and aromanticism, but in the end, these are identities that aren't heteronormative and they will be hit with the same or similar bigotry as any other queer identity. I just get tired of this response after seeing it recycled for 10 years without ever seeming to go any further.

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2 weeks ago

So during Rings of Power season 2, there was a bit of theorizing going around that Mirdania would turn out to be Celebrían. Personally I'm glad that wasn't the case. However it got me thinking. What if Celebrían was one of the Gwaith-i-Mírdain? With her parents living in Eregion for a while and all that, it could potentially fit in very nicely. I had to draw her of course.

So During Rings Of Power Season 2, There Was A Bit Of Theorizing Going Around That Mirdania Would Turn

So I've been obsessing over that AU(?) idea... I haven't got much concrete yet but I definitely have Ideas.

I've been trying to get back into writing more recently, so there is a chance I'll try to put together a fic with this concept. It would be my first real attempt at fanfic. 😬 I enjoy reading it but I've never really tried it for myself. So. Not sure. I'll see if this goes anywhere but I at least wanted to share the art.


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3 weeks ago
For @aspecardaweek: Day Seven: Freeform

For @aspecardaweek: Day Seven: Freeform

Elrond....was as noble and fair as an elf-lord, as strong as a warrior, as wise as a wizard, as venerable as a king of dwarves, and as kind as summer.


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2 weeks ago

Weird kind of validation to having to call a physical therapy session early for the third time in a row. I got a cold a couple weeks ago so my heart rate is still being even stupider than usual. It's incredibly frustrating obviously, but it's also honestly nice to see some stats clearly representing a problem after my doctor refused to refer me to a cardiologist for more testing because he ran a preliminary test wrong 🙃

Also got told I should be walking less to recover unfortunately. I need to PACE and go for WALKS. Real stupid I think.


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2 weeks ago

My experience with being oriented aroace is basically just not sexual or romantic attraction but a secret third thing but idk what the secret third thing is and tbh I don't care what it is, I just know that Women


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2 weeks ago

i cannot understate how much i adore what andor has done for mon mothma. the way this show has taken someone who before this was mostly neglected to small supporting roles, and turned her into one of the most layered, complex and tragic characters in all of star wars has absolutely floured me, not to mention how BRILLIANT genevieve o’reilly’s performance has been too 🙏


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1 week ago

Some Crane Wives Pride flags I've made, because their photos always have such cool lighting. I'm also currently planning on making the aroace and trans flags, but if you'd like to see a specific flag feel free to comment and I might get to it!

Some Crane Wives Pride Flags I've Made, Because Their Photos Always Have Such Cool Lighting. I'm Also
Some Crane Wives Pride Flags I've Made, Because Their Photos Always Have Such Cool Lighting. I'm Also

Also feel free to use these as you wish.


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3 weeks ago

hot take but “it’s perfectly fine to portray aspec characters as having sex/dating bc aspec people still do those things” and “fandom often overwhelmingly portrays aspec characters as having sex/dating with little to no regard for their aspec identity, leaving little room for aspecs who don’t do those things” are two statements that can and should coexist


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2 weeks ago
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Made A Meme Because What Do You Mean I’m Questioning My Sexuality Again Even Tho I’ve Been Secure

made a meme because what do you mean i’m questioning my sexuality again even tho i’ve been secure in my identity for the past 10 years 😭


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2 weeks ago

Yes! So, I am a disabled and chronically ill aroace cane user. I fully understand that not all disabled people are aspec and vice versa. But some are! What we really need is more variety in representation, but there's just not enough of it in the first place.

There can be issues with characters like this depending on their story and how their identity is handled. For example, I think the way Viktor from Arcane was confirmed as ace was... not the best, and potentially insulting to some aspecs and disabled people. It could have been done better. BUT that doesn't mean the idea itself is bad!

With Viktor specifically, I totally get why some people don't want him to be ace, and they're welcome to have other headcanons, I will never begrudge someone that. But the problem starts when I tell someone I like him being ace because I see myself even more in him (I was also starting to use a cane around the time I watched the show, and seeing him made me so much more comfortable using it), and they tell me that it's inherently offensive. Because it's not actually, otherwise so is my existence. You don't have to agree or see him as ace, but please do not invalidate my identity and experiences.

I saw a post that made me think.

Why do people say it's ableist for disabled characters to have aromantic or asexual identity in headcanons or canon? It's seriously weird how people are mad at stuff like that. Having an identity like that is not a bad thing.

I'm asexual, autistic and physically disabled. Is it ableist that I exist like that? I like headcanoning characters who are autistic coded as asexual because it makes me happy because they are like me in my head.

I have seen people online be mad at others for headcanoning a disabled character or autistic coded to have an aromantic or asexual identity. People even get mad at disabled people who share those identities for headcanoning like that. I don't know what is up with that.

Some people seem to be mad only because they think things like an aromantic or asexual identity implies that the character that is disabled will not want things like being intimate, but that is not true. It is up to the person who has that identity, they can choose to be intimate or not intimate. Things like that confuse me. Like how people talk about Viktor from arcane.

I like Viktor, I am happy he is asexual canonically. It means he can still have a relationship with Jayce hypothetically, though. His asexuality is valid no matter what way he is portrayed.

Viktor is my favorite character. Seeing Viktor in Arcane made me feel better about using a cane when my health got worse, I felt internalized ableism at that time. Seeing a depiction of someone who is like me in a way helped me. Learning he is asexual made me happier too because he is also like me in that way, too.

Asexuality is defined as experiencing no sexual feelings or desires; not feeling sexual attraction to anyone. And I think it should be fine for Viktor to be like that and it should be fine for everyone who feels that way.

Let people on the aro/ace spectrum be who they are, disabled people can be like that and still have intimate relationships. And let people headcanon whatever they want as long as they're not harming people.

And that is my thoughts on that. I hope I wrote that in an accurate way. I just feel confused about that topic. People are so hard to understand.

[Disclaimer, obviously not all people think the how I described about asexuality. Some people are fine with disabled characters having an aromantic or asexual identity. And when I say aromantic or asexual identity, I am referring to the whole spectrum of those identities.]


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...searching for spoons... | Artist and crafter, harpist, occaisonal writer (trying to come back from a hiatus) | Queer | 18+ | Disabled and chronically ill | Fandoms: Tolkien, Star Wars, The Crane Wives, Arcane, The Witcher | *Generally* Rings of Power positive | English/Español | they/them or any actually I really don't care | Also on YouTube

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